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- Interventions - by Noam Chomsky
- Religious Expression and the American Constitution - by Franklyn S. Haiman
- Deep Economy: The Wealth of Communities and the Durable Future - by Bill McKibben
- The God Delusion - by Richard Dawkins
- The Third Chimpanzee: The Evolution and Future of the Human Animal - by Jared Diamond
- The Woman in the Dunes - by Abe Kobo
- Evolution vs. Creationism: An Introduction - by Eugenie Scott
- The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals - by Michael Pollan
- I, Claudius: From the Autobiography of Tiberius Claudius, Born 10 B.C., Murdered and Deified A.D. 54 - by Robert Graves
- Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon - by Daniel Dennett
- A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East - by David Fromkin
- The Time Traveler's Wife - by Audrey Niffenegger
- The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason - by Sam Harris
- Ender's Game - by Orson Scott Card
- The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time - by Mark Haddon
- Value & Virtue in a Godless Universe - by Erik J. Wielenberg
- The March: A Novel - by E.L. Doctorow
- The Ethical Brain - by Michael Gazzaniga
- Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism - by Susan Jacoby
- Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed - by Jared Diamond
- The Battle for God - by Karen Armstrong
- The Future of Life - by Edward O. Wilson
- What is Good? The Search for the Best Way to Live - by A.C. Grayling
- Civilization and It's Enemies: The Next Stage of History - by Lee Harris
- Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - by Carl Sagan
- How We Believe: Science, Skepticism, and the Search for God - by Michael Shermer
- Looking For Spinoza: Joy, Sorrow, and the Feeling Brain - by Antonio Damasio
- Lies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right - by Al Franken
- The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature - by Matt Ridley
- The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature - by Stephen Pinker
- Unweaving the Rainbow: Science, Delusion and the Appetite for Wonder - by Richard Dawkins
- Atheism: A Reader - edited by S. T. Joshi
- Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind from the Big Bang to the 21st Century - by Howard Bloom
- The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History - by Howard Bloom
- Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies - by Jared Diamond
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- Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West - by Dee Alexander Brown
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Introduction - a discussion
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Chris OConnor |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/28/05 09:32:20 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
Well the preface already has me pumped! Jacoby has a writing style that brings out emotion in me. Makes me want to go on a Secular Crusade! lol
A few items that got my attention and drew my interest and brought my emotions to the surface: 1. Her description of how she felt on 9/11 hit home. I felt "an immediate surge of anger and grief so powerful that it left no room for alienation", as Jacoby so eloquently sums up what most Americans must have felt. There was a sense of togetherness and hope that our petty differences would pale compared to what just happened. We had never been hit with such a devastating attack on our collective selves. It is a irony that the very same event that brought us together was used by the Bush administration to divide the country as it has. It became only the religious that were able to benefit from the feeling of unity, those who did not believe in the fairy tale of faith and swear fealty to a make-believe god were left out, as Ms. Jacoby points out in the passage on the ecumenical prayer meeting Bush held. Of all the religions that were represented, those who did not believe were left out. This contempt for those who do not fall for faith and religion is appauling in return. But I guess only real sheep belong in a flock, huh? 2. The fact that Thomas Paine has been slighted by figures of such prominence and especially by religionists in this country makes me ill. The man was a master with words and ideas and was a big part in inspiring the spirit of those who fought to gain independence for this country. Please do not take this as flag waiving; it is simply my respect for Paine. The words of Roosevelt ANNOYED me..."filthy little atheist"? Again, I cannot understand the hatred and animosity people of such a 'peaceful' faith tend to exhibit. Anyway...some initial thoughts and emotions I wanted to share. I also borrowed 3 books from the library as reference to the framing of the constitution, civil liberties and the 'church/state' issues. I thought it would make this discussion better to have such reference handy. Please let's make this discussion great you all! Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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Posts: 3169 06/28/05 13:27:31 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
Maybe we should read some Thomas Paine as part of our classics reading, as a tie in to reading "Freethinkers".
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/28/05 13:31:13 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
A point that Jacoby attempts to point out in the Intro is that 'secular' does not conflate with non-religious, although I feel many people today think of the word in this way. Just as the words 'liberal', 'conservative', 'intellectual' and 'elitist' have become dirty words, there is an attempt to relegate 'secular' to the trash can. This is silly. Secularists encompass "many types of freethinkers" that "shared...a rationalist approach to fundamental questions of earthly existence".
Why is it such a complicated idea to understand that we should solve our earthly concerns by using our brains and our natural resources, rather than cowering in prayer and hoping for some supernatural salvation? Even if you buy the whole deity thing, and this deity is of the sort that has created us from nothing and wants us to love her, why would that deity want us to not think and become the best we can be? Any parents out there? I ask you: Would you rather have to lead your children by the nose throughout their whole lives, or teach them to be self-sufficient? Would you not want them to excell and grow into responsible adults, without having to consult you for every little problem? Do you want your children living in fear of you all their lives, worrying that you will punish them for any action that does not conform to your ideas and wishes? Would a dependent child, to the extent I present, have any viable fundtion to our society? Would they be able to survive upon your death? This is what religion is to me, a lifelong dependency on help and assistance from a parental figure, which prohibits real growth on any real level. But I do respect others and live and let live. If only the same could be said for those in this world who are now attempting to insinuate their own PERSONAL beliefs into our laws and society at large. I do not want your crap in my life, keep it to yourself. Contrary to the quote that Jacoby includes from Stephen L. Carter's book, "The Culture of Disbelief", I do not see any reality in that the secular position is trying to do away with religion or faith. We just simply feel that religions and faith should remain private and that it has no place in the laws of our land. There is too much diversity among those of faith, and since the proselytization of the world into one fold is impossible, there is no faith that can be a good guide for the population at large. But this does NOT mean that a secular society is intrisically immoral, as those of faith would have many believe. There are those that love to paint secularists as 'value-free', this is simply not the case. We are just as, if not MORE, moral and value-full, than any person of faith, taken on the whole. This means simply that it is within our species to BE moral. Religion is just an early, imperfect form of developing our morality. Again, taken on the whole, have religious institutions really set themselves apart from those who do not follow a religion? Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/28/05 13:32:24 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
Mad:
Great idea. Any selections you have in mind? Can you post that in the Other Discussions and get it started? Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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Chris OConnor |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/28/05 14:42:53 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
That would be fine with me. I had read portions of it and have made some notes previously.
Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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Chris OConnor |
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Posts: 9511 06/28/05 14:47:45 BookTalk Owner |
Someone create that thread over in the Additional Book Discussions forum and we can start right away. As I mentioned in the moderator forum, I will be away for a few days as I move. I know this will make most of you really sad, but get over it.
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Chris OConnor |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/28/05 14:59:34 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
Some stats as presented by Jacoby:
% of population: Religious Jews - 1.3% Muslim - .5% Non-Religious/Secular outlook - 16% Less than 1% of those ascribing to a non-religious life consider themselves Atheists (is this due to the stigmatizing of dis-belief by the religious establishment? hmm....) So, her point is: Why, at ecumenical gatherings, are the interests of those, who out-number other religious groups, not accounted for? Again, I am baffled regarding the animosity shown to those who simply do not proscribe to a certain myth. As an atheist, I strive to NOT exclude those of faith, based on that criteria alone, from participating in any discussion. I strive to be the better person. Why is there no reciprocation of this courtesy? Fear of irrelevance? Perhaps. One good point Jacoby makes, regarding the ignorance of fundamentalists toward secularists is so true: "Most secularists will vote for a religious believer who respects separation of church and state, but few fundamentalists will vote for a secularist who denounces religious influence on government" One reason I appreciated Kerry, even though he was pandering to the church, was that he stated that he had his belief and faith, but that he would not impose that on the whole population, because he is the representative of ALL the people of the US. Bush is just not this type of person, and I cannot fathom any freethinker voting for this man. Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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marti1900 |
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Posts: 416 06/28/05 15:03:48 Witty&Wise |
Please do not take this as flag waiving
Hey! Is it no longer PC to flag wave? Marti in Mexico |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/28/05 15:10:16 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
I just do not like flag waiving...from any nation. I just feel that thinking on a more global level is very necessary. The only thigs flags do is keep us from coming together. We need to start thinking more collectively.
I am not "gung ho" because Uncle Sam says so. I see the right and wrong with our country and refuse to get caught up in the wave of patriotism that has been the blindfold on our eyes as we plunged into one bad situation after the other. "My country right or wrong" is such an unintelligent phrase and leads right to the end of a cliff. That is all I meant. Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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Posts: 416 06/28/05 21:37:08 Witty&Wise |
I wonder if patriotism (the 'my country right or wrong' kind) goes hand in hand with religious fundamentalism? Blind belief in both cases?
Less than 1% of those ascribing to a non-religious life consider themselves Atheists That's a pretty interesting statistic. I wonder how accurate it is. Where did she get it? Does she say? I wonder what total % of the population describe themselves as Athiest/Agnostic? I just reread my post....lots of wondering here. I sound like Rosanne Rosannadanna. I guess that's what happens when you read interesting stuff...it makes you wonder. Marti in Mexico |
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Posts: 3169 06/29/05 13:33:17 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
misterpessimistic: A point that Jacoby attempts to point out in the Intro is that 'secular' does not conflate with non-religious, although I feel many people today think of the word in this way.
How does Jacoby substantiate that claim? If you look "secular" up in the American Heritege Dictionary, the first two definitions are: "1. Worldly rather than spiritual. 2. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body." The only definitions not relating to religion also seem fairly distance from any sort of secularism that would show up in a book like Jacoby's (I presume; once again, I'm not planning on reading the current selection.) To wit: "5. Occurring or observed once in an age or century. 6. Lasting from century to century." Now, as I've said before, I'm the last person to insist on lexicography as the only way to deal with semantics. But it seems to me that Jacoby must be using the term "secular" in some special or jargoned sense that is distinct from common usage. Why is it such a complicated idea to understand that we should solve our earthly concerns by using our brains and our natural resources, rather than cowering in prayer and hoping for some supernatural salvation? You'd probably be better served in defending Jacoby's attempt to allow for a broader view of secularists by not presenting an equally narrow view of religious adherents. Not all religiously-minded people turn their backs on practical methods of problem-solving. Nor would I say that's even characteristic of most religious believers. This is what religion is to me, a lifelong dependency on help and assistance from a parental figure, which prohibits real growth on any real level. Then I suggest that you do a little historical reading -- religion has so often been the impetus behind vast social, cultural and even technological change that you may be tempted to revise your view entirely. I would say that one basic function of religion is to promote civil and individual growth. But this does NOT mean that a secular society is intrisically immoral, as those of faith would have many believe. No, but we may consider the possibility that a purely secular society must ultimately be amoral. There are those that love to paint secularists as 'value-free', this is simply not the case. The question is how secularists substantiate their values, and at what point those values begint o break down because their underpinnings must ultimately prove arbitrary. Again, taken on the whole, have religious institutions really set themselves apart from those who do not follow a religion? Historically, nearly all institutions were founded in some form of religious affiliation. It is therefore often possible to trace the supposedly secular values of a secular institution to a set of historically religious values. It is therefore difficult to judge what sort of substanitive moral or cultural difference stands between religious and secular institutions. |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/29/05 14:11:36 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
Quote: Secular as it applies to government. Her mention of Paine suggests her chosen usage. Paine was a spiritual man, but shied away from having religious influence in government. Her use of 'secular' is mainly in this vein. Of course, by definition, this word does imply an a-theist position, and I am sure Jacoby understands this. Since we are both not interested in lexicography limiting our discourse, is this a definiton we can settle on, as it relates to this book/discussion? Quote: Absolutely correctr, and I do not think my statement drags everyone of faith into the observation. My most harsh words are reserved for those of blind, extreme faith or just plain old blindness. And I said 'we', and not the royal 'we'. I always try to keep my ponderings aimed at our communal existence. There are atheists that are blind as well. This is why I can respect someone like Paine, for although he believed in a deity of some sort, I do not. But I would never label him as one of blind faith. Quote: Nope...I stand by what I said. Religion was of course invloved in all that, because it had a monopoly on most national-esque governements up until recent times. It was accredited with innovation by default. It was the cause of good, yes, by virtue of the good people who were part of the institution, but it was also the cause of much that was wrong. I think that secular approaches can do so much more for culture, society and technology...but it has not been allowed to attempt this for any acceptable length of time. And the fight against secularism is becoming stronger again, because there is no need, IMO, for Big Religion anymore...and this is sensed by those who stand to loose should the relevance of religious institution indeed fade as it should. There is no way any one religion can serve the general population...just look at all the different flavors...and that is why it should be kept personal. At home. Quote: Why? This makes no sense to me. Quote: Why is religion the only acceptable source of values? Again, you lost me on this point. Religion is so solid a foundation? I have seen many examples where religious values have gone out the window over the most inane of points. Religion is one of the most arbitrary systems I know of! Quote: And again I say this is by default. Religious institutions had power and control in the past. This is what our secular government was formualted on doing away with. It is the way of most complex and beneficial systems that they start out with a simple beginning. So keep religion in the past and lets get on with what comes next. Religion served its purpose, I will grant you that. Now it is time to move on. Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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There's a long article in today's New York Times called "A Church-State Solution" which proposes changes in our way of handling church-state separation, and, among other things, offers an alternative view of President Bush's memorial service for 9/11 victims.
www.nytimes.com/2005/07/0...wanted=1n: It is an adaptation of a forthcoming book by Noah Feldman of New York University School of Law. P.S. I hated this article. |
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misterpessimistic |
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Posts: 4113 06/30/05 09:40:20 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
I think you have to be a member of NYT online to access this article. I had to sign in to read it. So here it is:
Quote: The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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Posts: 3169 06/30/05 14:17:18 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
No time to look at the NYT article at the moment. I'll see if I can catch it later on when I'm not on a timer.
misterpessimistic: Secular as it applies to government. Does secular in that sense not still imply distinct from religious institutions or thought? Religion was of course invloved in all that, because it had a monopoly on most national-esque governements up until recent times. It was accredited with innovation by default. I'm sorry, but you're mistaken, and I can point you to at least a dozen references that indicate how. For starters, Lewis Mumford traces the development of the mechanical clock back to the organizational needs of medieval monastaries, and discusses how the clock itself was instrumental in precipitating the modern scientific era. Religion was also instrumental in the development of ball and bat sports, theater, certain forms of agriculture, a wide sweep of cultural forms and content, and according to R.G. Collingwood, the advent of Greek philosophy itself, which shaped the whole of Western civilization. You can, of course, build an argument for why we no longer need religion, but to deny it its position as a historical force just seems wrong-minded to me. Me: No, but we may consider the possibility that a purely secular society must ultimately be amoral. Mr. P: Why? This makes no sense to me. Because morality must ultimately stand on a foundation of values, and the practical validity of any moral or ethical claim will ultimately require the substantiation of those values by reference to something absolute or near absolute. It may be that a purely secular society could have no morality of its own -- this is a concept with no contrivable practical test, as there have been no historically documented secular societies that did not inherit a great deal, including morality and values, from a previous religious community. If we can devise a means of deriving the sort of foundational values necessary for a secular morality from some source other than religion, my objection would, of course, be moot. To that end, I had suggested Iris Murdoch's book "Metaphysics as a Groundwork for Morality", but failed to garner interest for the book. I'll be reading it on my own soon enough, though, and you're welcome to join me. Why is religion the only acceptable source of values? Acceptable is a matter of viewpoint. Religion is a functional source of shared values because it makes an appeal to an ontology that aspires to or claims absolute relevance. It avoids the problem of the apparant arbitrariness of secular foundations by asserting a foundation that is external or supernatural. That foundation cannot, of course, be substantiated by a secular framework, but it's really only vulnerable to the same argument we would have against secular values, which is that they must ultimately be founded on faith. Religious institutions had power and control in the past. This is what our secular government was formualted on doing away with. What we may have uncovered by mistake is that some forms of human thought (for example, morality) depend on a religious framework. That's a point for debate, of course, but I think you're going to find that the question takes you into some rather uncomfortable territory involving the history of ideas. |
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You know, Nick, I have never understood why some people seem to think that morality "derives from" God. I think you have to ask:
Is it good because God wills it, or does God will it because it is good. If they choose the first horn of the dilemma, it seems that they are just submitting themselves to raw power - which is nothing like morality. If they choose the second, it seems clear that morality has a source which is independent of God. |
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Posts: 4113 06/30/05 15:43:41 Indisputable BookTalk Master |
The real twister is this:
Religion, and thus morality based on religion or faith, may very well be an evolutionary construct. So in the end, morals come from the nature of things, and not some supreme being! Of course, this argument does nothing to get us anywhere, as there are those who reject evolution at all... spin spin spin...my head she spins... Mr. P. The one thing of which I am positive is that there is much of which to be negative - Mr. P.
The pain in hell has two sides. The kind you can touch with your hand; the kind you can feel in your heart...Scorsese's "Mean Streets" I came to kick ass and chew Bubble Gum...and I am all out of Bubble Gum - They Live, Roddy Piper |
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Quote: Of course there is. Maybe not for you, but some large percentage of people depend on their Big Religion for their value structure and for teaching them how to think, both of moral matters, and how to live their lives generally. Also, what is your definition of Big Religion? I am guessing you mean Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, Bhuddism, Judaism, Hinduism, Confusianism. Did I leave any out? Marti in Mexico |
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- Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark - by Carl Sagan
- Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West - by Dee Alexander Brown
- Future Shock - by Alvin Toffler

