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Do you fear death?
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Posts: 67 01/15/03 23:13:05 |
I have enjoyed reading the posts on this age-old question and concern; and it is clear that our perspectives on death -- its significance, our fear of it -- may evolve over our lifetimes. Excluding the clinically depressed, young people are likely to fear it more than the old, since they have not lived a full life. The death of a young person almost always seems more tragic than the gentle decline of someone who has made it to the end. Our attitude toward death may also be tempered by by any close calls we have along the way with death. I can speak from experience that, having survived cancer as a mere lad of 32 some (gad!) 28 years ago, I have thought often and hard on the subject. Now as (I guess) a member of the senile citizen class, I have less and less fear of death and use its inevitability (and relative imminence) to help define what I consider it important to do. It does seem to give lustre to the remaining time I have. But as to the fact of death, I have absolutely no fear -- and no expectation of anything beyond except personal annihilation. That comes as a kind of comfort. Beliefs in an afterlife have their beneficial effects in this life by providing comfort. At the end, if I am happy (in the Aristotelian sense, having lived a full and productive life), I think it will be a fitting coda.
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Juxtaform |
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Posts: 5 02/18/03 01:27:00 |
Often in the mornings right after waking the first thing that happens is the feeling of emerging from a deep sense of disorientation. The next occurence is the realization of 'me' and a feeling of consciousness, of being, and the things I identify with that concept.. where I am and what time and day it is usually connect first. Following that is a shattering realization of an eternal oblivion.
Knowing I'm going to be dead for infinite length of time is a little easier in the knowledge that waiting an infinite length of time for this moment to be alive didn't seem so long. Seen as being stuck between two infinite durations can actually cheer me up, since just being here seems like a bizzare and preposterous proposition. |
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TNcoondawg |
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Posts: 37 02/18/03 14:52:42 |
Personally, I don't want to die prematurely. I guess my biggest fear is that of leaving too many things undone and having more negative effects than positive on others lives.
I am not a religious person, so I am pretty much at peace with the fact that this is a natural life cycle and that my body will return to being worm dirt. To me, it's akin to what Robert Heinlein puts forth in "Stranger in a Strange Land". I would like to think that my death would make me simply more a part of the people in my life...my close friends and family. That rather than mourn for a long period of time, that they can rejoice at the time that we had together. Ernie (who is in no hurry to become worm dirt) |
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Posts: 6 05/15/03 01:34:53 |
I think the late French actor, Lino Ventura, said it best:
"It's not that I fear death, I'm just afraid of not living." Here's one from Epicurus: "Why should I fear death? When I am, it is not. When I am not, it is." |
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Posts: 39 05/18/03 09:02:54 |
I am afraid to die. Mostly I am afraid of dying without doing anything notable. But I also realize that my fear of death makes my enjoyment of life possible. For if I believed that upon death I would be infinitely happier how could I enjoy my time here? I remember as a child the night before Christmas being pure torture. Any enjoyment I experienced was the anticipation of what gifts I would receive the next day. I did not then enjoy, as I do now, the time spent with family I had not seen for a long spell. So, not only do I fear death, I value my fear of death.
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Posts: 0 05/20/03 18:42:08 |
Reading rielmajr's response was encouraging for me, especially the following segment. I feel he has obtained an authentic understanding of human finitude
Quote: I am 23 and find myself spending much of my time on frivolous and trivial activities. I fear death, but I can't seem to grasp how very real it is, and consequently live as if my time is limitless. Well, anyway, I haven't seen much of rielmajr around lately. I miss his input and which he'd have stayed around. |
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- The Woman in the Dunes - by Abe Kobo
- Evolution vs. Creationism: An Introduction - by Eugenie Scott
- The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals - by Michael Pollan
- I, Claudius: From the Autobiography of Tiberius Claudius, Born 10 B.C., Murdered and Deified A.D. 54 - by Robert Graves
- Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon - by Daniel Dennett
- A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East - by David Fromkin
- The Time Traveler's Wife - by Audrey Niffenegger
- The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason - by Sam Harris
- Ender's Game - by Orson Scott Card
- The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time - by Mark Haddon
- Value & Virtue in a Godless Universe - by Erik J. Wielenberg
- The March: A Novel - by E.L. Doctorow
- The Ethical Brain - by Michael Gazzaniga
- Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism - by Susan Jacoby
- Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed - by Jared Diamond
- The Battle for God - by Karen Armstrong
- The Future of Life - by Edward O. Wilson
- What is Good? The Search for the Best Way to Live - by A.C. Grayling
- Civilization and It's Enemies: The Next Stage of History - by Lee Harris
- Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space - by Carl Sagan
- How We Believe: Science, Skepticism, and the Search for God - by Michael Shermer
- Looking For Spinoza: Joy, Sorrow, and the Feeling Brain - by Antonio Damasio
- Lies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right - by Al Franken
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- Demon-Haunted World: Science As a Candle in the Dark - by Carl Sagan
- Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West - by Dee Alexander Brown
- Future Shock - by Alvin Toffler
