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http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

Broad strokes, leaves out a lot of detail, but is very neat.
"All beings are the owners of their deeds, the heirs to their deeds."

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]]> feeds@yuku.com (Loricat) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3483 Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:14:04 GMT <![CDATA[ Final thoughts? ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3482/t/Final-thoughts-.html
Feel free to give us any sort of feedback that pops into your head. Was "A Peace to End All Peace" a good selection for discussion? Could the discussion have been structured... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3482 Tue, 26 Sep 2006 14:09:59 GMT <![CDATA[ An extra thousand words each (Fromkin's photographs) ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3486/t/An-extra-thousand-words-each-Fromkin-s-photographs-.html
Personally, I found the photo of Sykes to be fascinating. Coupled with Fromkin's descriptions of Sykes background and his action, especially of his many reversals of opinion, the photos contributed to fuller picture of Sykes' personality -- or at least of how I might have perceived it had I been... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3486 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:10:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Sykes and the sudden shift to Arab support ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3487/t/Sykes-and-the-sudden-shift-to-Arab-support.html feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3487 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:56:27 GMT <![CDATA[ What can one man do? ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3488/t/What-can-one-man-do-.html feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3488 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:52:38 GMT <![CDATA[ Zionism and Palestine ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3489/t/Zionism-and-Palestine.html feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3489 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:50:23 GMT <![CDATA[ Germany and the Turkish deportations/massacres ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3490/t/Germany-and-the-Turkish-deportations-massacres.html
Chapter 26, section iv. presents the first part of a curious little twist of fate. As Fromkin presents it, Germany was opposed to the Turkish deportations of Armenians, rumored to be, in some areas, massacres. They made a few muted protests, particularly emphasizing that the deportations could be used to support the Allied cause, but ultimately pussy-footed around distancing the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3490 Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:48:09 GMT <![CDATA[ Planning to join in on the discussion? ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3491/t/Planning-to-join-in-on-the-discussion-.html feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3491 Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:55:09 GMT <![CDATA[ Alternative history: the invasion of Constantinople ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3492/t/Alternative-history-the-invasion-of-Constantinople.html
Chapter 18 shows how narrowly Constantinople avoided getting sacked by the British early in the Middle Eastern campaign. How might history have proceeded differently if Admiral de Robeck had forged onward into the straights? ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3492 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:00:56 GMT <![CDATA[ A Muslim homeland ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3493/t/A-Muslim-homeland.html
I'm not sure how well his reasoning... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3493 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:57:20 GMT <![CDATA[ Pre-WWII Middle East Photos ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3484/t/Pre-WWII-Middle-East-Photos.html pictures of the Middle East in the 20's and 30's, including one of Churchill, Lawrence & Emir Abdullah. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (JulianTheApostate) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3484 Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:18:18 GMT <![CDATA[ The economics of alliance ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3494/t/The-economics-of-alliance.html
Further, this section also shows them parcelling out spoils on conditions... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3494 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:55:01 GMT <![CDATA[ Britain enters the ME theater of war ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3497/t/Britain-enters-the-ME-theater-of-war.html
I'm a bit mystified by the chain of events that eventually pulled Britain into the Middle Eastern theater of war, starting with Enver's misguided attacks on Russia in the Caucasus. The process, as I understand it, was this: Enver leads the Ottoman army into the Caucasus. Russia, fearing that it's army is stretched too widely to defend against Ottoman invasion, petitions the British to distract... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3497 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:48:39 GMT <![CDATA[ Independence & Autonomy ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3495/t/Independence-amp-Autonomy.html
Independence: freedom from control or influence of another or others
Autonomy: Self-government or the right of self-government; self-determination.

So, what exactly is required for a nation-state to be independent and autonomous? Are some... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Loricat) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3495 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:18:04 GMT <![CDATA[ The Prospects for Peace ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3499/t/The-Prospects-for-Peace.html The Peace to End All Peace, I thought it worthwhile to explore the prospects for peace in the middle east. Does Fromkin's text describe the actual demise and impossiblity of peace in the middle east?What will it take for peace in the middle east?

Some may consider such a question to be naive and utopic, bereft of real politik and a distraction from the serious business of waging war on terror... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Dissident Heart) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3499 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:56:54 GMT <![CDATA[ Then and Now ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3500/t/Then-and-Now.html
This morning, my answer would be Yes. Today we have different prejudices and attitudes, and people are still narrow-minded and secretive, believing their own hype...and communication... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Loricat) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3500 Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:03:34 GMT <![CDATA[ Israel, Lebanon and Syria ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3502/t/Israel-Lebanon-and-Syria.html
As you probably know, Israel and Lebanon are currently exchanging blows in what may be poised to descend into full-scale war. I thought we could use this space to discuss that situation as it unfolds, and to draw some connections to the historical narrative Fromkin presents.

Any thoughts?

One section of the book that might be relevant appears in... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3502 Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:43:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Temporal and spiritual authority, East and West ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3504/t/Temporal-and-spiritual-authority-East-and-West.html feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3504 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:42:27 GMT <![CDATA[ The Character of History ]]> http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3503/t/The-Character-of-History.html feeds@yuku.com (MadArchitect) http://booktalk.yuku.com/topic/3503 Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:34:50 GMT